Retrofitting Maho MH600E 1989 - Meas 5i25 & 7i77

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6 years 3 months ago #174278 by tommylight
I can bet my life you have something wired wrong with that latching thingy that is back-powering the PC the instant it activates.
But you can continue to chase LinuxCNC......

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #174280 by Onkelmat
uh uŕe fast.

maybe this helps.
when the machine is powered and 24v is on. but not latched.
i start linuxcnc and when it not restarted yet. it restarts as soon as i turn an axis spindle.

maybe i have to edit this post again when i cant reproduce that ^^

EDIT: okay cant reproduce that error often, but i had that happening three of four times now.
Last edit: 6 years 3 months ago by Onkelmat.

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6 years 3 months ago #174281 by Onkelmat
Since i don´t know where to start looking for my error I´ll quit for today and start looking again tomorrow.

My plan as to write down the function of each relay in the e-cabinet and power it on one by one with everything wired to the cards as usual.
Maybe i can locate the error that way.
If that doesn´t help I´ll try to stay calm and not to scream.

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6 years 3 months ago #174290 by Mike_Eitel
If your restarts are somehow happen as soon as your "moves" :
Could be an earthing problem. Either machine to ground, pc to ground or both to ground. Could be that your maho generate emv spikes, and/or your pc's psu got more sensible. I would try to run linuxcnc in an sim application, so you are sure nothing can move the machine. Then try to generate signals that make movements. I would expect that you can reset your pc that way.
Beside i would think over my earthing concept. Be sure that low resistance cabling canalise current between "shields" and not over signal cables. And have a look if you can implement additional filter in the power sourcing of your pc. Maybe add ferites in cables.

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #174304 by Aciera

Then I've run my linuxcnc configuration I'm using all the time and ou of 10 tries it crashes like 7 times right on splashscreen.
Then I've tried the axis_mm configuration by right click on linuxcnc and choosing one of the axis basic settings.
I could start linuxcnc 20 times without restart.
Then ive tried my config again and got instant restart.

I'm sure my ini or config have a problem.
I'll try to post both of them


So just to get this clear. Your PC only crashes if you use your own config? If so clearly something is happening when the cards and their outputs are initialized during the startup process.
So posting your config would not be bad idea. Also you might want to pipe the terminal output of the startup of linuxcnc into a file and post that. That way we might get an idea what is being started just before the PC crashes.

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As Tomy has already suggested there is probably something going on with how you wired the thing up that feeds back to the PC
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Personally I would create a new hal file and copy in sections from the current hal file you are having problems with while testing if and when the restart problem comes back.

Proper grounding techniques are indeed very important (as I had to learn the hard way many years ago) and without a clearly structured approach how you want to go forward you could be poking around in the dark for a very long time.


So I strongly suggest to create an new hal file and reassemble it step by step with frequent testing. Then once the rebooting happens again you can take a step back and analyze what is happening.
Last edit: 6 years 3 months ago by Aciera.
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6 years 3 months ago #174370 by Onkelmat

Aciera wrote:

Also you might want to pipe the terminal output of the startup of linuxcnc into a file and post that. That way we might get an idea what is being started just before the PC crashes.


How ?

Sometimes the PC crashes without Linux started, but that´s rather rare. Like 1 out of 100.
I´ll try another pc today.

I´ve grounded to one common ground:
- Maho
- Indramat 3trm2
- 7i77
- 7i84
- 5V 2A supply
- PC PSU

I´m very excited to see if the other PC shuts down too..

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