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15 Dec 2020 14:05 - 15 Dec 2020 14:06 #192047 by Himarc3D
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You dimensioned well the cabinet just the board and drivers, need to see if youll crowd with wires
The Aciera advice is one of the points to pay attention when design.

2. Avoid stacking heat producing components one above the other, and allow an unrestricted flow of air behind components whenever possible


Avoid this will help in your wire route too

7. Wiring can also affect enclosure temperature. Properly cabling wires and routing bundles along enclosure corners keeps wires from resting on components and helps minimize airflow restriction.


You have small drivers 80W and at idle 50W, DM542?
I dont think you even need the fans, the big hole for wire i think take off the fan purpose, fan tend to fail and if the design need it to run its something to consider, its okay to run with open door until fix the fan?
If you paint your box will help a lot to reduce heat too.
Check this calculator
www.punchlistzero.com/control-panel-heat...sipation-calculator/


The quotes are from here;

thermal-edge.com/thermal-management-guid...voiding-overheating/

Another calculator;

thermal-edge.com/enclosure-temperature-management-calculator/
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15 Dec 2020 16:34 #192051 by Todd Zuercher
Many drives mention in their manuals that they must be de-rated if not mounted in their optimum orientation. (The addition of forced air cooling can also make a difference in ratings.)

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15 Dec 2020 18:33 #192062 by Himarc3D
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I cant see the difference between vertical and horizontal using passive coling or with heatsink drivers if you haver proper space between the drivers to air flow.
In my mind the question is how hot they get to install whatever the position just pay attention to the heatsink side and proper space to air flow
My motors i follow the manufacture instructions i dont runt it over 80C (68C).
Some drivers are din mount so you cant install horizontal or some models have fan and you need to pay attention to air flow direction.
I have yasukawa sigma driver (servo) and its up mounting and i think its because have fan up side.
I dont know the driver spec here but i guess its the same the oriental about orientation and looks like he have 40mm to 50mm between the driver
www.orientalmotor.com/products/pdfs/opmanuals/HM-60128-7E.pdf

www.orientalmotor.com/products/pdfs/Step...ionBIntro_B2-B42.pdf.

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21 Dec 2020 01:19 #192590 by txtrone
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I decided to rearrange the driver boards now.
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21 Dec 2020 02:21 #192601 by tommylight
Neat ! :)
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21 Dec 2020 18:07 #192679 by txtrone
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Neat ! :)


Thanks! I just got the motors moving! I need to land the home switches and do some calibration... then I will have to 'hit the books' on Plasmac.

I will clean up the wiring a bit more after I get everything working.

I am not sure exactly when I should integrate the pneumatic actuator solenoids, should that be done before I get into Plasmac, or after?

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21 Dec 2020 18:57 #192684 by tommylight
Motor wires seem very thin, that will limit the torque and speed by quite a margin.
4X0.75 is the absolute minimum for small Nema17 motors that i use, for anything bigger i use 4x2.5mm2.
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21 Dec 2020 19:25 #192688 by txtrone
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Motor wires seem very thin, that will limit the torque and speed by quite a margin.
4X0.75 is the absolute minimum for small Nema17 motors that i use, for anything bigger i use 4x2.5mm2.


Interesting. These motors came prewired from the vendor of my previous electronics package. I just checked, these motors are wired with 18AWG, you would use 14AWG? What wire type/make do you use? Thx

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21 Dec 2020 20:40 #192697 by tommylight
Not what i want for sure, i have to use what is available locally, usually soft 4X1.5 and 4X2.5mm2, or 5X for plasma as i also use the ground wire for well grounding the machine parts.
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21 Dec 2020 21:16 #192710 by txtrone
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Got it.That raises another good question. What exactly do you ground?

I have a ground rod outside my building that is isolated from everything else. There is an insulated wire that connects the ground rod to the table, via a threaded bolt on the table frame. At that bolt there is a another, smaller wire that connects to the gantry.

The plasma unit is always connected to the plate itself when I am cutting.

Is that sufficient?

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