EtherCAT plasma torch voltage reader

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1 year 8 months ago #322416 by tommylight
Some things do not add up here, but most of the discussion is OK in general, so i did not reply till now.
As for the "Copper tip is electrically connected to the work piece", most probably you are both right, as that would have to be connected to something (even work) for it to be able to strike an arc, but also most probably it will have to be disconnected as soon as the cutting current is engaged, otherwise it would just eat through the tip that is copper and would be a puddle in under 1 second, as RDA said it will take the path of least resistance.
All this is perfectly explained in HyperTherm documentation for blow back start plasma sources, service manuals, if you can find them as they showed those behind a paywall lately.
Sorry, but i do not recall the exact procedure and inner workings, it's been 8 years since i read that.
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It would be quite unusual, not really sure if unusual is the correct word, to have the table completely separated from PE.
Unusual = yes for sure, but possible as almost all my machines have a separate cutting table that is not grounded as there is no need for it since the electronics and the surrounding machine frame are all grounded properly, so despite that table acting as a huge antenna, no issues with interference at all. And some are grounded through the plasma source clamp, hence avoiding ground loops.
But, and this is a big but:
Ground everything, properly, in star formation, avoid at all cost "ground loops", use good shielded cable, that will get rid of 90% of issues, and ground the cutting table if the plasma source has no connection between PE and clamp.

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1 year 8 months ago #322453 by phillc54
It is possible to do ohmic sensing from the tip. At least it is on a Hypertherm 30XP using relay ohmic, I imagine it would work the same with a THCAD. I have been doing this for a few years now without any issues. The only mod to my torch from memory was to insert a diode, the inspiration was from   here  and  here .

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1 year 8 months ago #322461 by rodw
This approach from Toast is also worth considering. As used by Swift Cut commercially (And also by Les from Sheetcam)

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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #322464 by Hakan
@phillc54 What's the boiled down theory of that? Disconnect electrode lead and a new voltage sensor path?
Edit: looked again, no its not that. I don't get it.
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1 year 8 months ago #322468 by Hakan
For the other discussion it boils down to me realizing that I don't measure 0 to 200 Volts, but instead 0 to -200 Volts.
It works because it is truly floating, but it's not desirable the way I made it.
A quick test made me realize I am not an electronics engineer, but I'll get there. It will be put on the slow burner. I mean it works as is and it works good.

As for the grounding, it works fine so no change needed. All signals are by designed isolated, no ground loops I can think of. But if any noise problem develops, I know what you all do.
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1 year 8 months ago #322470 by phillc54
Mine ended up something like this. I "think" that was my final circuit but I don't have the machine to check.
Warning: Spoiler!

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