Rods "Spaceship" Scratch built Plasma Cutter build
18 Apr 2022 00:14 #240527
by rodw
The other thing I've been playing with are ethercat drives. This enclosure is on my mill conversion. 400 x 400mm was all they had in stock and its just not big enough to use conduit.
It has very simliar bones to the plasma control box. Same safety circuit, same power supplies same fan, just not enough room to be tidy.
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Hmm, still a lot cheaper than what the drives and power supply in that box are.Bypassed the 48v DC altogether and put in some DM2282T drivers connected directly to the 220v in. Made a much cleaner system, and I could run the steppers with about 4 times the acceleration and more than double the ultimate speed with those drives at the higher voltages.
Made me wonder why I wouldn't go that route on any homebuilt machine. The DM2282T were not cheap, but compared to drivers and a good DC transformer setup it wasn't that big a difference. And definitely would simplify the enclosure!
The other thing I've been playing with are ethercat drives. This enclosure is on my mill conversion. 400 x 400mm was all they had in stock and its just not big enough to use conduit.
It has very simliar bones to the plasma control box. Same safety circuit, same power supplies same fan, just not enough room to be tidy.
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21 Apr 2022 10:58 #240788
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I'll have to head up soon Rod and check out all the amazing work.
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21 Apr 2022 12:19 #240796
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You can look at the big lump of billet in the vice I have not worked out how to machine yet!I'll have to head up soon Rod and check out all the amazing work.
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23 Apr 2022 02:49 #240959
by RNJFAB
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Don't you just push the green button, and then it goes and does it all for you??
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23 Apr 2022 03:14 #240961
by rodw
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Yes, it will use the run/step pause/resume hal example here on the forum. Works well on my mill.Don't you just push the green button, and then it goes and does it all for you??
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23 Apr 2022 07:29 #240970
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what is it that you are trying to figure out how to machine? maybe i can help point you in the right direction.
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23 Apr 2022 07:37 #240971
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23 Apr 2022 08:21 - 23 Apr 2022 09:55 #240975
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sometimes drills slip in the chuck and when that happens your height offset gets lost so if you don't see anything in the code this could be what caused this. when drills break through sometimes they can grab. brass is good for doing this but can happen with a lot of material.
one other thing i see is that your part is sticking out quite a bit from the vise. when you are drilling your force is pushing downward and this will kick the part in the vise with no doubt. if you have to drill something like this you need to support the piece with some screw jacks so the part can't kick in the vise. you don't need to make them tight just enough pressure to keep the part from being pushed down while you are drilling.
one other thing i see is that your part is sticking out quite a bit from the vise. when you are drilling your force is pushing downward and this will kick the part in the vise with no doubt. if you have to drill something like this you need to support the piece with some screw jacks so the part can't kick in the vise. you don't need to make them tight just enough pressure to keep the part from being pushed down while you are drilling.
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23 Apr 2022 12:10 - 23 Apr 2022 12:11 #240984
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Thanks, The bit was held in an ER32 collet so I doubt it would slip. I think the real issue is the Z axis motor coupler has been slipping where the bellows attaches to the end (eg not on the shaft). I have another one here but have not had time to try swapping it out. I wanted to make a jig to hold parts for drilling and tapping but I ran out of time so I did a batch of 200 on my manual mill.
This is pretty easy with a sliding jig but its a bit underpowered on the countersinking
This means the pressure is off for now but the job is still setup so I can counterbore the holes 30mm diameter for a nut to hold it to the mill T slots and the plan is to press in some dowell pins I have to align it in the T slot.
But yes, the jacks underneath are a good idea. Thanks.
This is pretty easy with a sliding jig but its a bit underpowered on the countersinking
This means the pressure is off for now but the job is still setup so I can counterbore the holes 30mm diameter for a nut to hold it to the mill T slots and the plan is to press in some dowell pins I have to align it in the T slot.
But yes, the jacks underneath are a good idea. Thanks.
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23 Apr 2022 15:42 #241000
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ER 32 is bigger in size so if you tighten it well it should not move on you. drill chucks i don't have as much faith in. i don't really have trouble with slipping in a tool holder but my belief is there is no such thing as too tight for the most part.
i have done manual stuff like you are doing in the past just not on parts that big. the sliding fixtures work it just gets old fast doing large runs. you might be able to use a tapping head and tap holes like that as well. tapping heads are expensive to begin with and only get more expensive as the size gets bigger but i have used them in the same way you are working now with the sliding fixture. once again not fun doing tens of thousands of parts this way but it does work fast.
sometimes work is not very precise and you get into a need for just the basics and simple quick operations like this. the work i have seen like this was from stamped out parts.
i have done manual stuff like you are doing in the past just not on parts that big. the sliding fixtures work it just gets old fast doing large runs. you might be able to use a tapping head and tap holes like that as well. tapping heads are expensive to begin with and only get more expensive as the size gets bigger but i have used them in the same way you are working now with the sliding fixture. once again not fun doing tens of thousands of parts this way but it does work fast.
sometimes work is not very precise and you get into a need for just the basics and simple quick operations like this. the work i have seen like this was from stamped out parts.
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