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2 years 1 month ago #309683 by spumco
The Bell-Everman drive is a nice system, but you need to put any reduction upstream/ahead of the pinion.  As Tommy pointed out the 72T idlers won't reduce anything.

A low-backlash, helical gear reducer between the motor and the pinion is the way to go.

And if you've got the space for some extra carriage length, the 'Loop-track' system brom B-E is really nice.

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2 years 1 month ago - 2 years 1 month ago #309686 by spumco
Like this one I built for a couple of plasma tables.

In these photos the motor is mocked up directly on the pinion, but we wound up using a 10:1 reducer between the motor and pinion.

Belt was T5, pinion was 15T (bought T5 15T bar stock).  Mr. Everman pointed out on CNCZone years ago that only T-series belt teeth/valleys are symmetrical - HTD and GT2/GT3 have non-meshing teeth.
 
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2 years 1 month ago #309714 by machinedude
the biggest problem is the machine is built already and space is limited. if i could do any kind of reduction it would probably have to hang out to the side but if i could come up with a way now i know i can put whatever size on the open loop side and increase the circumference to get more engagement. i think the belt is compressing under load with a tiny 24 tooth pulley. so if it is doing it on the open loop belt side a bigger set on the other side would be a good idea too i think if it's even possible my fear is i painted myself into a corner :)

i will have to dig some more and look at the stuff you suggested in more depth thanks for the feedback :)

straight cuts work just fine but cutting a contour is where things get weird shows up looking like chatter when trying to finish. it is so close to being there but needs a little help to get that little extra bit of stiffness needed :)

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2 years 1 month ago #309718 by rodw
It is possible to build a belt driven reduction that mounts in place of a NEMA23 motor. I did it here (but using a pinion.)
forum.linuxcnc.org/30-cnc-machines/31509...inion-drive?start=20

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2 years 1 month ago #309744 by machinedude
i think one thing that i could try to see if things improve would be to swap out 36V power supplies for some 48V supplies i think i have 4 of them in another box that i can steal or borrow just to see if it improves and with some extra power?

it might be that the X axis is under powered compared to the tandem Y axis and that could be why it shows up on contour cutting? that would be pretty easy to do and not redesign things from the ground up in the process :) It might point me in a particular direction?

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2 years 1 month ago #309745 by tommylight
That is worth testing, stepper systems at low speeds do not benefit from higher voltage, but at higher speeds the difference is huge.
BTW, low speed for a Nema23 stepper is under 150-200RPM some up to 500, from there the torque drops like a rock, so any added voltage helps a lot.

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