What do you really get for a $350 desk top engraver ?

i also think there are 2 different versions of the closed loop drives. i see a price change on these.
i think the more expensive of the two has more tuning features and i have the lesser of the two which does not have some of the same settings. I only have 6 settings in the Gain adjustment subcategory. i have a torque feed forward setting that is there to take some of the strain off the PID loops

so all i have in the gain adjustment is
position loop Kp
velocity loop Kp
velocity loop Ki
torque feed forward
position loop filter
velocity loop filter

it seems like the torque feed forward is a % value and taking a guess it looks like it matches closed loop holding current in the extended setup section.

it seems like the closed loop holding current setting is a way to take load off of the PID at the expense of operation temp of the motors and efficiency on the power consumption.

at his point i am not seeing anything that would adjust the following error unless it would be the filter settings? i have no settings in the speed, torque control of the main section? maybe because this dive is not the higher end version?

i played around and tried my best to scientific but putting my hand on the spindle and jogging things around ended up doing me the most good

i did not see much of anything adjusting control settings. so the only thing helpful was the max position following error getting reduced and the closed loop holding current percentage getting changed.

i can tell just by the sound of things and the vibration difference things should be a little better than before.

do some test cutting and cross my fingers and hope that was enough

just a quick test. things look a lot more consistent. i just wanted something that would cut the same under different conditions. the cutting was 1/4 deep with a .020 step over at 50 IPM with the final pass @ 40 IPM the starting stock was 1 inch x 1 inch x 1/2 the hex is ,924 and took about a minute flat to cut. I'm' sure I can rough a little bit more aggressive and i light finish pass should help with a better finish. 

a step in the right direction for sure, i would think a belt drive machine is going to hit the wall at some point on surface finish.

 

I think if you run the same toolpath at the same RPM but lower feedrate - i.e lower feed per tooth - you'll be able nail down whether the pattern is mechanical or motor/software.

If the pattern is the same - same 'pitch' - then it's probably the belt system that's causing it.  Either from the belt pitch, and you've got mechanical 'noise' from the pulley teeth, or you're seeing peaks/valleys from belt resiliance as it stretches and snaps back in to the cut.

That, plus flexibility in other components, will result in chatter and surface finish issues.

i messed with capture feature but i think i should probably be do that with a motors off the machine. the higher end closed loop systems seem have a inertia ratio feature that you can test under load but these don't seem to have this feature.

without detailed information on the settings and how it relates to the settings in the software i felt like i was flying blind honestly. i never did see a simple wave form and seen what looked like oscillation but i have no idea if i was even close to using things the right way.? i thought i seen something about the jogging with motion studio for only for bench testing with no laod?

 

after testing one thing was clear the most improvement came from added torque. i found this formula for torque vs micro stepping. i started with 4,000 and went up to 12,800 to test for resolution problems and did not see any change between to two.

using this formula i would have 3.2 times more the torque running at the 4,000 micro steps setting compared to 12,800

i need to test more with this and see what i figure out.

i set everything at @ 2,000 micro steps and cut another test piece. The finish seen no real difference in cut quality, but the current settings were a lot more responsive. so that part makes sense. the X axis seems to work really smooth, and the tandem Y runs better but still needs some more help.

Are there any tip or tricks for getting a tandem axis tuned? it seems like it is a lot harder to get settled into.

machinedude wrote:

Are there any tip or tricks for getting a tandem axis tuned? it seems like it is a lot harder to get settled into.
 

About the only thing I've seen that was reasonably successful was to disconnect the gantry from the motor to be tuned, and attach half the gantry weight to that motor's carriage.

This will get the inertia in the ballpark, and the values can be copied to the other motor.  From then on adjust the same on both motors.

This may be fairly easy, or it could be a royal pain - just depends on how the hardware is assembled.