retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
20 Jul 2012 23:32 #22253
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
bobinater wrote:
Good point.
Does the Emco eat much? Why not ignore it for a few months then do a fast cheap conversion on it when you know how?
(or do it now as a training exercise)
I agree andy but I would rather spend the money on the hnc lathe that I have been obsessing over
Good point.
Does the Emco eat much? Why not ignore it for a few months then do a fast cheap conversion on it when you know how?
(or do it now as a training exercise)
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20 Jul 2012 23:51 #22254
by bobinater
Replied by bobinater on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
food for thought
I would still rather have the hardinge but I may take good sage advise and retro the EMCO first
as a training exercise.
Ill think about that for a day or so, I do have someone interested in the emco if I can get it working right.
but on the other hand it is eating nothing but space
Bob
I would still rather have the hardinge but I may take good sage advise and retro the EMCO first
as a training exercise.
Ill think about that for a day or so, I do have someone interested in the emco if I can get it working right.
but on the other hand it is eating nothing but space
Bob
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21 Jul 2012 01:47 - 21 Jul 2012 01:58 #22258
by jrkeat
Replied by jrkeat on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
bobinater wrote:
Functioning with the original software, the PCTurn 55 is worth 5-6K. Without, it is worth about 2K, as it is only useable with an electronics retrofit which is a good-sized project.
If it's a hardware problem, the turret shouldn't be too hard to fix--much easier than converting the machine to LinuxCNC, if I may baspheme in this forum. If it's like the 55, there should be 2 LEDs on the main controller board which flash when the turret is on. One will flash when each tool goes by, and the other will flash when the turret does a full rotation.
In my machine, there is a 5-pin connector from the main board. The rightmost line takes 24v, and when activated, this switches the turrett on. When the 24v is removed, the turret will reverse direction, backing up until it is limited by a ratcheting mechanism. The other four lines are gnd, 5V, and the two output lines.
In any case if one of the signal lines has gone bad, doing a retrofit won't fix it. So my first step would be to check to see if it works by itself, both in terms of input and output, and fix it if it doesn't.
If one of the two outputs has failed, you can probably fix it. There is no separate fault line--the main board only knows what the turret is doing through those two lines. So if the changer runs at all, I would guess one of them must have failed, and the main computer detects the failure, generating the fault.
Thanks Chuck
I will have to dig a little deeper and see if I can figure it out , or do the discount sale to get rid of it
any idea what they are worth, probably alot less than I gave for it:angry:
Bob
Functioning with the original software, the PCTurn 55 is worth 5-6K. Without, it is worth about 2K, as it is only useable with an electronics retrofit which is a good-sized project.
If it's a hardware problem, the turret shouldn't be too hard to fix--much easier than converting the machine to LinuxCNC, if I may baspheme in this forum. If it's like the 55, there should be 2 LEDs on the main controller board which flash when the turret is on. One will flash when each tool goes by, and the other will flash when the turret does a full rotation.
In my machine, there is a 5-pin connector from the main board. The rightmost line takes 24v, and when activated, this switches the turrett on. When the 24v is removed, the turret will reverse direction, backing up until it is limited by a ratcheting mechanism. The other four lines are gnd, 5V, and the two output lines.
In any case if one of the signal lines has gone bad, doing a retrofit won't fix it. So my first step would be to check to see if it works by itself, both in terms of input and output, and fix it if it doesn't.
If one of the two outputs has failed, you can probably fix it. There is no separate fault line--the main board only knows what the turret is doing through those two lines. So if the changer runs at all, I would guess one of them must have failed, and the main computer detects the failure, generating the fault.
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21 Jul 2012 02:15 #22259
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
jrkeat wrote:
I don't think that saying that apples =/= oranges is normally considered blasphemy. I agree that if it is hardware then you need to fix the hardware. A LinuxCNC conversion of a broken machine will still leave you with a broken machine. The only reason to covert in that case is to have full access to the underlying "stuff" rather than a baffling array of black boxes (literally and figuratively)
If it's a hardware problem, the turret shouldn't be too hard to fix--much easier than converting the machine to LinuxCNC, if I may baspheme in this forum.
I don't think that saying that apples =/= oranges is normally considered blasphemy. I agree that if it is hardware then you need to fix the hardware. A LinuxCNC conversion of a broken machine will still leave you with a broken machine. The only reason to covert in that case is to have full access to the underlying "stuff" rather than a baffling array of black boxes (literally and figuratively)
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21 Jul 2012 16:51 #22277
by chuck1024
Replied by chuck1024 on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
So far I have converted a Prolight 1000 and a Emco PCturn 55 to LinuxCNC. Both machines used antiquated hardware, PCs and software. I chose to learn something new and move forward rather they trying to learn something that was already obsolete and hard to maintain. I should add that I am an engineer so these kind of projects are fun and rewarding to me but might not be to others. I have also done a lot of programming and I really liked some feature like loops and named variables that LinuxCNC provides. The more I use Linux, the less I like Microsoft.
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21 Jul 2012 17:05 #22278
by bobinater
Replied by bobinater on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
actually the tool changer works in mdi . I can rotate the turret with the keyboard function
but when I use a tool change in the program it errors out,
if i am not mistaken the format for the tool change in the program is as such
t202 which would be tool 2 offset 2 is this correct for the emco and for linux as well.
Bob
but when I use a tool change in the program it errors out,
if i am not mistaken the format for the tool change in the program is as such
t202 which would be tool 2 offset 2 is this correct for the emco and for linux as well.
Bob
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21 Jul 2012 17:16 #22280
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
bobinater wrote:
That isn't how it works in LinuxCNC, though someone is working on making it an option.
In LinuxCNC there are a number of steps.
T3 sets the "tool prepare" pin to 3 so that the tool changer can get itself ready. (you might actually do this after a tool change on some machines, to get the carousel into the right place).
M6 starts the tool change process, including moving the axes to the tool change position, it sets a tool-change pin in hal, and waits until the tool-changes pin is set.
G43 applies the offsets for the currently loaded tool. G43 Hn applies the offsets from a different tool number.
So, a typical tool change line in LinuxCNC reads T4M6G43,
But see: sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&ati...539522&group_id=6744
if i am not mistaken the format for the tool change in the program is as such
t202 which would be tool 2 offset 2 is this correct for the emco and for linux as well.
That isn't how it works in LinuxCNC, though someone is working on making it an option.
In LinuxCNC there are a number of steps.
T3 sets the "tool prepare" pin to 3 so that the tool changer can get itself ready. (you might actually do this after a tool change on some machines, to get the carousel into the right place).
M6 starts the tool change process, including moving the axes to the tool change position, it sets a tool-change pin in hal, and waits until the tool-changes pin is set.
G43 applies the offsets for the currently loaded tool. G43 Hn applies the offsets from a different tool number.
So, a typical tool change line in LinuxCNC reads T4M6G43,
But see: sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&ati...539522&group_id=6744
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21 Jul 2012 17:26 #22282
by BigJohnT
Replied by BigJohnT on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
In LinuxCNC the maximum tool and pocket number is 99999. I wonder how they plan on making that work with the Emco option?
John
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21 Jul 2012 18:10 #22287
by bobinater
Replied by bobinater on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
that looks alot like mill code to me
lathe code for most lathes that I have seen do not use
g43 or a m6 call out so I will have to get used to that if I start using linux or can that be altered in the base program?
Bob
lathe code for most lathes that I have seen do not use
g43 or a m6 call out so I will have to get used to that if I start using linux or can that be altered in the base program?
Bob
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21 Jul 2012 18:13 #22288
by bobinater
Replied by bobinater on topic Re:retrofit on EMCO PC turn 55
here is an example of a lathe program that I wrote for a lug binding screw
for work, does this look at all like a linux post would or will I have to rebuild my post processor as well
Bob
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O05005 (BINDING-SCREW)
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N2 T303
N3 S1200 M03
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N5 G98
N6 G82 X0. Z-0.0937 F20. R0.05
N7 G80
N8 G99
N9 G00 Z5.
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N11 T308
N12 S1500 M03
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N15 G83 X0. Z-0.6992 F20. R0.05 Q0.1
N16 G80
N17 G99
N18 G00 Z0.1
N19 M05
N20 T101
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N22 G96 S400 M03
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N24 G01 X-0.0312 F0.005
N25 X0.3644
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N27 Z-0.0591
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N30 Z-0.7354
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N32 G01 X1.1928 F100.
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for work, does this look at all like a linux post would or will I have to rebuild my post processor as well
Bob
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O05005 (BINDING-SCREW)
N1 G20 G40 G80
N2 T303
N3 S1200 M03
N4 G00 X0. Z5.
N5 G98
N6 G82 X0. Z-0.0937 F20. R0.05
N7 G80
N8 G99
N9 G00 Z5.
N10 M05
N11 T308
N12 S1500 M03
N13 Z5.
N14 G98
N15 G83 X0. Z-0.6992 F20. R0.05 Q0.1
N16 G80
N17 G99
N18 G00 Z0.1
N19 M05
N20 T101
N21 G50 S1800
N22 G96 S400 M03
N23 G00 X0.0688 Z0.
N24 G01 X-0.0312 F0.005
N25 X0.3644
N26 X0.7284 Z-0.0214
N27 Z-0.0591
N28 X0.9026
N29 X0.9928 Z-0.1086
N30 Z-0.7354
N31 G98
N32 G01 X1.1928 F100.
N33 T202
N34 G97 S500
N35 G99
N36 G00 X1.0928 Z0.0654
N37 X0.9826
N38 G32 Z-0.6937 F0.125
N39 G00 X1.0928
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N178 Z-0.65
N179 G01 X-0.01 F0.0015
N180 G00 X1.
N181 Z5.
N182 M05
N183 M30
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