Hardinge HNC retrofit and where to start
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17 Jul 2012 17:10 #22103
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andy
I do think that is the case on the third resolver, I have not taken the cover off of the resolver on the spindle but I am pretty sure that is what it is
what is the average cost of the d525 pc and where should I buy one.
Bob
I do think that is the case on the third resolver, I have not taken the cover off of the resolver on the spindle but I am pretty sure that is what it is
what is the average cost of the d525 pc and where should I buy one.
Bob
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17 Jul 2012 17:18 #22105
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bobinater wrote:
I assume you are in the US, so a UK source is no good.
Try www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
Then maybe www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227510
and probably www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-90
what is the average cost of the d525 pc and where should I buy one.
I assume you are in the US, so a UK source is no good.
Try www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
Then maybe www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227510
and probably www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-90
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17 Jul 2012 22:46 - 17 Jul 2012 23:02 #22108
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The spindle has a resolver and a pulsecoder,which is 12v,so you really want to replace the both with a single encoder.If you want a handwheel ,you will need an encoder input for that also.You could get a 5i23(i think) a 7i33 and a resolver board and keep your resolvers,which are admittingly more robust then encoders.You will still need some sort of i/o.The machine with out any operator interface is about 16 inputs,10 ac out puts and about 6 dc ouputs.You could use encoder to resolver boards.You would be WAY ahead of the game to buy some inexpensive encoders,a 5i20,a7i33.You then would have two 50 pin connectors available for i/o.
If you want to keep the stock amps and ditch the refridgerator size cab,you will to add an auxillary cab on the back of the machine.You will have to replace the for/rev contact system with some sort of VFD.Trying to integrate the vari drive and brake is an exercise in aggrivation.
An HNC was a a NC machine,not a cnc.Trying to find some one who can still fix the 550t is also an exercise in paitence.If it was me,id buy some used amps for 150 each,a ac motor for 300,a vfd for 500 and encoders for 300 or so.You will beat your head against the wall using all that old stuff.You would no longer need a mechanical spindle brake,you can add a braking unit and use the braking function in the drive.
Below are pics of my cabinents.The wiring on the i/o is a bit messy.Hopefully most of it will be replaced with a usb cable....
If you want to keep the stock amps and ditch the refridgerator size cab,you will to add an auxillary cab on the back of the machine.You will have to replace the for/rev contact system with some sort of VFD.Trying to integrate the vari drive and brake is an exercise in aggrivation.
An HNC was a a NC machine,not a cnc.Trying to find some one who can still fix the 550t is also an exercise in paitence.If it was me,id buy some used amps for 150 each,a ac motor for 300,a vfd for 500 and encoders for 300 or so.You will beat your head against the wall using all that old stuff.You would no longer need a mechanical spindle brake,you can add a braking unit and use the braking function in the drive.
Below are pics of my cabinents.The wiring on the i/o is a bit messy.Hopefully most of it will be replaced with a usb cable....
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17 Jul 2012 23:03 #22109
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17 Jul 2012 23:04 #22110
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JR1050 wrote:
FWIW the Mesa 7i49 Resolver driver emulates the encoder index behaviour, so if the Resolver is a one-cycle-per-rev type (less than certain) then it would be usable for all the normal LinuxCNC spindle encoder things.
It's moderately easy to tell how many cycles-per-rev the resolver is. Power up the drives and put a multimeter in the AC range on one of the secondaries, then rotate the spindle. If you see the amplitude drop to zero more than once a rev then you would need to wire up a separate index or change it to an ABZ encoder.
I had imagined that the resolvers were more tightly integrated into the motors than appears to be the case. My servos have them inside the back of the case, and I would be looking at trying to source new connector inserts ($20 + the pins each) or the pin-removal tool ($100s) to change the wiring to suit encoders. I would also need to find some form of commutating encoder too, as mine are AC servos reliant on the absolute feedback that resolvers give.You would be WAY ahead of the game to buy some inexpensive encoders
FWIW the Mesa 7i49 Resolver driver emulates the encoder index behaviour, so if the Resolver is a one-cycle-per-rev type (less than certain) then it would be usable for all the normal LinuxCNC spindle encoder things.
It's moderately easy to tell how many cycles-per-rev the resolver is. Power up the drives and put a multimeter in the AC range on one of the secondaries, then rotate the spindle. If you see the amplitude drop to zero more than once a rev then you would need to wire up a separate index or change it to an ABZ encoder.
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