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15 Jul 2019 02:56 #139365 by phillc54

So would it be possible to add a variable sense impedance and filtering circuit to our open source ohmic circuit?

That sounds feasible but beyond my capabilities.
I also wonder if the water becomes less resistive over time as suspended metal particles increase and what effect that has.

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15 Jul 2019 03:23 #139367 by PCW
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Yes
www.candcnc.net/store-home/feather-touch-ohmic-sensor/

I think other systems have a sensitivity setting (eg a pot.) I wonder if we could use a Mesa analog input somehow as part of this?


I am working on a new SSerial connected THC interface
( Have proto PCBs but it will definitely take quite a while to do the firmware )

One thing the new interface has is a real time analog Ohmic sensor.
This will allow setting the threshold dynamically and perhaps doing
things like monitoring the leakage current (when the torch is up and off)
and perhaps warning or changing the threshold based on
background leakage.

In the mean time, it might be worth testing a bit with a Ohmic sensor
based on a THCAD and a floating 24 to 100V or so power supply.
(maybe some 9V batteries to guarantee floating and high isolation)

I can donate a THCAD If someone wants to try this. if nothing else
it would be interesting to see if leakage can be distinguished from
contact by getting real time resistance information.

Beware that everything on the torch side including Ohmic sensing connections
can be at lethal potentials so this is not something to be undertaken lightly
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15 Jul 2019 03:48 #139368 by rodw
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In the mean time, it might be worth testing a bit with a Ohmic sensor
based on a THCAD and a floating 24 to 100V or so power supply.
(maybe some 9V batteries to guarantee floating and high isolation)

I can donate a THCAD If someone wants to try this. if nothing else
it would be interesting to see if leakage can be distinguished from
contact by getting real time resistance information.


Peter, I'd be interested in trying this is shipping down under is not too much of an impediment. I am acquiring a couple of test PC's this week and was thinking of getting a 7i96 or another 7i76e because you can't easily set up a SIM for a Mesa card. I think my current setup qualifies as a floating (Isolated) power supply as there is no common ground with anything else. I've got another Mesa 7176e user locally who works with the Atmel Mega CPU's who is happy to help with any plasma stuff. I still want to play with the Mesa UART for plasma too. I think I've got your email so I will touch base that way.
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15 Jul 2019 03:50 - 15 Jul 2019 03:52 #139369 by thefabricator03

In the mean time, it might be worth testing a bit with a Ohmic sensor
based on a THCAD and a floating 24 to 100V or so power supply.
(maybe some 9V batteries to guarantee floating and high isolation)

I can donate a THCAD If someone wants to try this. if nothing else
it would be interesting to see if leakage can be distinguished from
contact by getting real time resistance information.

Beware that everything on the torch side including Ohmic sensing connections
can be at lethal potentials so this is not something to be undertaken lightly


I am happy to volunteer to give it a try, I have attached our ohmic sensing circuit diagram to this post,

Could you have a look and let me know how the THCAD will wire up to our existing circuit.


Edit: Rod beat me to it, Hes the better man for the job!
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15 Jul 2019 06:27 #139371 by rodw
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Edit: Rod beat me to it, Hes the better man for the job!


But Peter might not like me! I'm sure I'll be leaning on you through the process if he does pick me! :)
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15 Jul 2019 07:02 #139373 by phoenix
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I'm being so desperate to see plasmac in action but unfortunately I'm unable to do parport connections i tried adding machine. Hal and uncomment ini line
It doesn't even load parport component
I'm waiting to use plasmac soo long..
Its perfect but unfortunately not without working parellal port

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15 Jul 2019 07:06 #139374 by phillc54
What error messages are you getting?

Post that along with your ini and hal files.

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15 Jul 2019 07:28 #139376 by phoenix
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No error message sir i m pasting my step and dir signals from the machine i created in stepconf
Directly to plasmac hal files.... It doesn't show any error also parport component is shown loaded but step and dir signals not comong
I will post my files soon

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15 Jul 2019 08:17 #139382 by thefabricator03

But Peter might not like me! I'm sure I'll be leaning on you through the process if he does pick me! :)


No worries Rod,

I do have a THCAD10 coming in the mail that I order early last week, I was going to use it for my ethercat development but maybe this will be a better use for it.

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15 Jul 2019 08:29 #139383 by phillc54

No error message sir i m pasting my step and dir signals from the machine i created in stepconf
Directly to plasmac hal files.... It doesn't show any error also parport component is shown loaded but step and dir signals not comong
I will post my files soon

Have you read the instructions?
There is no need to edit the plasmac files, the configurator will do everything for you.

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